2022.07.06
1/18 스케일 다음 모델 티져 이미지. 가격 및 완성 날짜는 아직 미정.
Little tease of what's next for the 1:18 scale series. Don't know when...don't know how much...
2022.07.07
이구아노돈은 두 마리를 조형해볼까 싶다. 첫번째 베르니사르텐시스(bernissartensis)는 후경에서 가장 최신의 학문적 증거 자료를 반영하지만 고전적인 캥거루 포즈를 취한 모습으로 그리고 전면에 위치한 두번째 만텔리사우루스(Mantellisaurus)는 선두에서 언덕 아래를 내려가는 모습으로. 당연하게도, 이것은 과거 내가 디자인 작업에 참여한 (디즈니 영화 다이노소어 등장한) 한쌍의 커플 알라다(Aladar)와 니라(Neera)를 연상시킬 것이다.
I was thinking of doing a sculpt of two Iguanodonts together. I. bernissartensis is the one standing in the updated but classic kangaroo pose in the back and Mantellisaurus is going down hill in front. Yes, this is a call back to Aladar and Near...I'm doing my penance for those designs many years later. I think four small mammals on the base might be a bridge too far, but I'm not ruling it out! The sketch is on the back of a Marvel script so I had to blur the text. Who knows what fan theories could evolve from one and half lines of description on the internet.
Q. Made me curious if Disney Dinosaur Iguanodon was a mixture of several different styracosterns due to the overlumping in Iguanodon back then (ie. Mantellisaurus, etc). I know someone speculated that Bruton and Kron was based on Altirhinus back when it wasn't splitted yet. Could you confirm this?
A. That's overthinking it. We just started with I.bernisartensis and changed the silhouette so they characters looked with different. Of course I looked at other Iguanodonts and hadrosaurs that could inspire the correct feel. Kritosaurus always felt so noble to me, hence Kron and its possible that Altirhinus was looked at for Bruton, but it was more organic than choosing a different species for a different character. Disney is a massive organization and everyone had to put in their two cents in order to justify their jobs
2022.07.11
Messing around with an updated version of the classic Iguanodon kangaroo pose. This is very symmetrical and stiff so its just a test. I think perhaps there is a little too much dorsoventral flexion on the distal caudals but I can always slope the landscape he's standing on to get the amount of upright stance I'm looking for.
Invicta Iguanodon(left) that’s the idea!
2022.07.18
Progress on Iguanodon sculpt. I'm pretty sure they knew how to hover.
Q. How would the digits on the front limbs bend when they're pressing onto the ground? I guess they would bend outwards, but that seems very uncomfortable.
A. Yes, they bend outward with digits 2-3 bearing most of the weight. The wrist on these guy was pretty much locked up. The trackways do show the manus print at more of a 45 degree angle, but I wonder if that has to do with the arm moving inward during the fore stroke ( as the body undulates slightly) and landing that way for the plant.
Q. BTW, any thoughts we could learn from you on Ornithischian cheek sir? These days we also witness cheekless Ornithischian too!
A. I'm on the fence with cheek/no cheeks. Given the narrow gauge of the dentition all I imagine is food falling out after it does it's ornithopod version of mastication. Given the depth of the buccal cavity and the presence of some foramina on Iguanodon some form of non-muscular cheek makes sense. There's good arguments for both though. I'm pretty sure I'll have his mouth closed on the final, and I may be able to pull off something in the middle.
2022.08.17
I dreamt of scales last night...wonder why? What does it mean?
2022.08.17
Little bit more work on the Iguanodon. Still lots to do.
No major news regarding Iguanodon just seems to be a popular one lately.
I used Scott’s drawing. There is some scanned fossil elements under that mesh as well.
2022.09.18
Finally have my computer back. Making some progress on the Iguanodon. Still a ways to go to bring him to life.
I'm starting to pull reference for the face. I'm using D.B Sweeney who voices Aladar. His signature look is a smile/smirk, but that would tip this dinosaur into cartoon territory. Been there done that. I'm going for a content, strong, trusting look. Aladar 22 years after the movie ends. Doing a deep dive on nuchal ligaments as well.
2022.09.19
I was corresponding with Filippo Bertozzo about possibly building out nuchal ligaments to make a deeper hadrosaur type of neck. Here are a few paint overs I did to see how things would add up. I don't know which way I will go, but I thought it was worth showing everyone and getting input from the paleo community.
Q. My concern on such deep nuchal ligament is that Iguanodon lacks elongate anterior dorsal neural spines. Animals with deep nuchal ligaments usually have an abrupt change in spine height at the neck-thorax transition. This is not the case in Iguanodon: the tallest spines are reached gradually approaching the sacrum. Ouranosaurus might be a better case for such muscular neck.
A. I think I had that conversation with Scott Hartman a while ago. In all honesty I started this model a long time ago, made some choices and forgot about why I made those choices! What sucks about sculptures is the commitment they need. I'll be investing in molds, castings...shipping etc so you just need to get something as right as you can in field that is constantly changing. An illustration can be changed pretty quickly and simply distributed digitally. What really gives me nightmares is jumping into the incredibly expensive world of bronze casting and then having pretty good evidence that the choices I made were wrong. Let's call that the Spinosaurus effect.
Q. As someone who did collaborate (and has been collaborating) with illustrators in producing 2D/3D reconstructions and even actual models of extinct animals, I perfectly understand. After years of thinking about what "paleoart" is, I've concluded that we should free our works and ourselves from the fetish of the myth called "accuracy". The way we depict an extinct creature is not "a fact" but a (more or less) argumented hypothesis based on a historically contingent set of data. We will never see the original animal: this means that what we depict are the hypotheses, not the creature. So, I assume that if we are good in representing a particular hypothesis, that reconstruction is valid and well done regardless to the "obsolescence" of the particular hypothesis followed once compared to the current state of knowledge (which is itself soon to become obsolescent).
A. Andrea Cau(질문자) Very well put. I have done 3 sculptures all based on Sue. One from 2000 ( Rex Mundi) one from 2010 ( Sideshow T.rex) and one from 2020 ( Regina Mundi). In those 20 years between those models the look of T.Rex has dramatically changed yet I did my best to be accurate. The 2000 model almost won a Lanzie, so it was judged by peers, and yet it would be cast-off as laughably shrink wrapped these days! As artists we always have these voices in our heads of what people will think of our work. There is always imposter syndrome and I’m sure some of that comes across in my posts!
Q. I'd like to point out the number of finger in their front limbs. I've seen that they are shown a transition between fully fingered ornithischians like Captosaurus & the hooves of hadrosaurs like Edmontosaurus. Having a two of the three main fingers fused. But putting that aside, it's a great model anyway
A. I did run that by some of my advisors on this project, and nobody seemed to worry about what I did. I think I even started it as fused and moved away from it. It certainly worth looking in to again. Don't know if it shows in the model, but digit ii and iii are joined by a thin skin.
I re read parts of the paper last night. The manus print above is for Canada, and was included in the paper because it was contemporary to prints left in Wealdon. Some kind of early ornithopod. I might make a post about this. Could be interesting.
Q. Just gonna throw a bold one here saying that 95% of the time people reconstruct the Edmontosaurus manus mummy incorrectly. I'm gonna elaborate here further and how it could be applied on the Iguanodon sculpt. Firstly as Krentz brought up before, digit III and IV isnt fused together under the nail (I'm calling it a nail here and you'll see why) if you follow the trackways. Those aren't the only trackways that shows all 3 weight bearing digits touching the ground.
Now for the nails. I've been vocal about this for some time. They don't look like horse hoove placed on a hadrosaur manus no. The nails are shaped like a shovel head on both ungual. People missinterpret nail on digit II as being a pointy nail when it actually has the same shovel head shape as the comically big one. Its just that on the mummy we were looking it from the side. Another thing regarding the nail is that they just sits on the top of the toes (just like our finger nails). This was elaborated by the worker of the mummy which I'll share below. It does makes sense though as the nail on the mummy doesn't show errosion on the tip from contacting with the ground.
Now I've been thinking about how ungual shape correlates with the shape of the nail, with shovel head ungual having shovel head nails that sits on the top rather than wrapping around the ungual like you'd usually see on sharp talon shaped ungual Been considering to put it on large ornithischian like ceratopsids and thyreophoran as well as Iguanodon. Thought you might be interested David Krentz Art
A. The first two images A/B was where I started, with the nail lying on top of a great big fleshy pad. This was rejected by my advisors. the next two images C/D show a more traditional ungual emerging from the tip of the digit with far less pad which was approved. Looking at this now I'll make the transition between digits iii and iv less obvious. Also, keep in mind that the hands on this model are lifted off the ground. When they are planted they would take on a very different shape!
where the model is now.
Clydesdale anyone?
2022.09.21
Buried below in this post is a discussion about the manus, which is worth further exploration. Basically some folks say it should be like the much later Hadrosaur mitten-hoof hand and others say I'm pretty close to what it might have been like. Here is an excerpt from that conversation from me. "The first two images A/B was where I started, with the nail lying on top of a great big fleshy pad. This was rejected by my advisors. the next two images C/D show a more traditional ungual emerging from the tip of the digit with far less pad which was approved. Looking at this now I'll make the transition between digits iii and iv less obvious. Also, keep in mind that the hands on this model are lifted off the ground. When they are planted they would take on a very different shape!"
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